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Inder Ghagga loses debates to Panthic Singhs in Toronto

October 11, 2006
Source: Khalsa Press



(Top) Bhai Kulbir Singh Ji of Toronto
debating with Inder S. Ghagga (Bottom - center)


Brampton, Canada (KP) - In the past few years, the public has seen an assortment of anti-Gurmat literature being produced by various individuals promoting Kala-Afghana/missionary lobby viewpoints. In their message, they viciously attack the very fundamentals that set the Sikh Panth apart for other faiths. Instead of utilizing sound logic and Gurbani as a basis of their arguments they often resort to ridicule and sarcasm in a sign of desperation and lack of confidence.

One such "parcharak" is Inder Ghagga. He was not allowed in UK Gurdwaras and was reportedly even dragged from the stage at a Gurdwara in the Eastern United States.

In Canada, he has caused skirmishes between his supporters and those who were offended by his derisive remarks against Gurmat and respected Gursikhs.

When he spoke at Mayfield Gurdwara Sahib, in Brampton Ontario two weeks ago, a melee broke out between his supporters and members of Panthic organizations who charged that he was spreading anti-Sikh propaganda and was insulting respected Sikh personalities in his books and on stage. Ghagga in his book "Sada Berra Kio Garkia", has harshly criticized various Gursikhs and key Sikhi concepts.

In the Toronto area, Ghagga is being promoted by the pro-Kala Afghana supporter, Gurcharan 'Jeeonwala' Brar. Overconfident of his debating skills, Ghagga has appeared on various radio talk shows and private functions where he has openly challenged anyone to debate him on his twisted philosophy on Gurmat.

Some of his views include :

  • That there is no such thing as the power of Naam.
  • Naam simran that involves reciting of Gurmantar (as instructed in the Panthic Sikh Rahit Maryada) is Pakhand [hypocritical], he refers to is 'Gorakh Dhandha.'
  • Guru Nanak Sahib Ji ate Halal meat under pressure, when he visited Mecca.
  • Siri Guru Arjun Dev Ji fainted when he was tortured because he could not withstand the pain. In other words, he views all of the ten Guru Sahibs as ordinary humans beings.
  • He wrote very harshly against Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwalay and other respected Panthic personalities, often ridiculing them in a offensive manner.
  • He is a also a ferocious supporter of meat eating.
Open Challenge to Singhs

Since no one had seriously challenged him, he became further encouraged and arrogant and began to boast that there was not a single Sikh in Toronto who could debate him.

When sevadars of Gurdwara Tapoban Sahib, located in the Toronto suburb of Brampton, heard about Ghagga's haughty challenge, they became curious about who this individual was. The more they found out of his warped ideology, the more they felt it was necessary to confront this man at an intellectual level for the defense of Gurmat and Panthic principles.

Gurdwara Tapoban sevadars after a Gurmatta, accepted the challenge and via Ghagga's liaisons, a debate was set up for September 27th, 2006 at Gurdwara Sahib Tapoban.

According to witnesses present there, "He came with about 10-15 of his supporters. The Singhs went in the debate as underdogs and he was full of haumai. Within minutes [of debating], he realized that he was stuck."

'The Fierce debater vs. a Young Khalsa'

Ghagga was to debate the Panthic Singhs led by Bhai Kulbir Singh, a young Singh in his thirties, who is considered quite knowledgeable in Gurmat and Gurbani Viakaran (grammar). Ghagga, who has been preaching his missionary 'Sikhi' for the last three decades, thought this would be a no contest debate. Soon, he would find out how wrong his assumptions were.

According to several eyewitnesses interviewed by Panthic Weekly, Ghagga became so uneasy that he asked for drinking water three times. Witnesses stated that his hands were trembling and he was perspiring heavily throughout the debate. It was clear that the fierce 'debater' Ghagga had lost his bearing.

Ghagga lost the entire debate on all subjects and afterwards some neutral Singhs insisted that another debate be set at a public venue. The date was set for October 1, 2006 at 9am, but Ghagga never showed up. Via third parties, and with great difficulty, he was persuaded to debate and finally the debate was set up for about 4 hours later at 1pm.

Second Debate

This debate went on for about two hours and has been video recorded. The recordings of this second debate are being made available on Panthic Weekly in the article Ghagga Debate Videos.

It is interesting to note that the Panthic Singhs led by Kulbir Singh did not have any prior public debating experience, yet they were successful in defeating someone such as Ghagga who has spent his entire life in such controversies. Instead of debating on the contentious issues, Ghagga kept digressing and changing subjects. This further proved that he could no longer defend himself or his philosophy.

Most importantly, Ghagga publicly accepted that Naam Simran is a principal of Gurmat. He accepted that his sakhi about Guru Nanak Dev Ji eating meat in Mecca was his imagination as was Guru Arjun Dev Ji's fainting incident.

According to eyewitnesses, having lost twice on all subjects, Ghagga left as a very upset man. He has declined to debate any further. His skills seems more fitted for an arguer than a true debater.

Deflated Pride

Subsequent to this debate, the Panthic Singhs had challenged him for another debate and the challenge was published in the Punjabi Post, a Toronto based newspaper. However, the man who boasted so much on the radio waves that not a single Singh in Toronto can debate him, had now become silent. Publicly it is now clear that these so-called scholars are merely paper tigers.


4 Comments

  1. Swaran Singh Panesar October 14, 2006, 10:55 am

    Dear Editor,

    I have read the article but honestly speaking I seem to be somewhat confused.To my knowledge the Panthic Singhs have done very well indeed in producing the article that apparently projects their opinions.

    In order to fully appreciate their efforts it would be very helpful if:-

    1. The participants could kindly state all the Gurmat based questions put to Inder Singh Ghagga.

    2. The answers they got from Inder Singh Ghagga.

    Reply to this comment
  2. Chamkaur Singh Sandhu October 20, 2006, 8:12 am

    Dear Swaran Singh Panesar,

    Please review the videos of the second debate from the following link.

    http://www.panthic.org/news/123/ARTICLE/2816/2006-10-11.html

    Reply to this comment
  3. Chamkaur Singh Sandhu October 20, 2006, 9:00 am

    I listned to the videos and and enjoyed the debate.

    I don't know if anyone caught the point that was made by Mr. Ghagga. In the beginning and throught the debate he claimed that he did not believe in 'gabby shakti'.

    Then he goes on to claim that Guru Angad Dev ji got 'khoar' when guru Nanak Dev ji passed 'Gurgaddi' to him. The 'kohar' stayed with gurus until 5th Guru.

    Finally 5th guru Arjun Dev ji, dusted off the feets of Shri Chand, and received 'vardan' to get rid of the 'kohar'.

    This discussion is in part 2 of the videos. It starts 5 minutes into the video.

    This means that he believes that Shri Chand had the power (gabby shakti) to heal guru sahib.

    This is complete contracdiction to his overall view of that he does not believe in 'gabby shakti'.

    Chamkaur Singh

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  4. Harpreet March 24, 2011, 5:03 am

    I was reading on following link
    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/11023208/ns/today-today_health/

    And thought, I should share it here. Ghagga said DIL KADE SOCHDA HAI? He should read this . I am not trying to prove that heart can think. As ghagga always says that we should look religion from scientific & logical point of view and tries to show as he knows everything about science. What ever science says today, it will be different on some other day.


    Human can make logic up to some extent. After that we have to give up. That's why Gurmukh pyaare say never put the logic while learning gurmat. Always see everything in light of gurmat and gurbani, not otherway. Gurmukho naam japo , ghagge de poorble karma ne es tran de maare kam Ohde hisse paaye Hun.

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